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Why its going downhill

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Why its going downhill

Postby natedogg723 » Thu May 09, 2019 4:13 am

As an HM player for around 3 years, the server has been slowly declining which is probably due to minecraft iself declining. But recently the server has gone completely down the drain, it all started when commandobeta left. We had no real leader on the server that is actually active and the staff team started to fall apart. Around this time spart was promoted but he soon after quit the staff team, and while beta asked to come back and was ready to help us get back to the great server this used to be he was denied despite the public outcry from the players asking for him back. this is only not fair as we are the majority of players but also the ones that keep it running. But then soon after spart even though in the same situation where he quit for irl reasons, he was accepted back by staff. Ever since he has joined back, im not sure if hes our head admin but hes sure as hell trying to act like it. its like the whole server runs through him and all the decisions do, it started off when oza, zac and whoever else was a part of that gold farm that was built. they made around 8k an hour (pretty good but nothing compared to mob grinding in its prime) and even though no players were bothered by it the staff team decided to ruin the whole gold market itself by removing the sign.. theres limited players on here and sometimes we will only have 15 players online in the afternoon. there are definently not enough players to even come close to making a profit off building gold farms anymore, and then he went on by removing iron sugarcane cactus, and now removing afk fishers (understandable but not everyone who uses them is afk.. how about you check to see if they are afk instead of removing the whole thing itself) and now hes saying he is gonna remove stone gens too, well then how the fuck are we supposed to make money? thats alot of the major blocks in MC which are now virtually unsellable since all the players store chests have filled up. so i asked spart how we are supposed to make money now and this is what he said

<Admin ~Spartan> player helper, government construction jobs, private construction jobs, government jobs (general), city mayors, city owners, land lords, shop owners, supply chain management, supplier, killing mobs, mining, rare item trader, wilderness protection jobs
(there was a couple more at the end but it didnt appear in logs )

as you can see, majority of these are government jobs, which makes no sense as the players are supposed to be the economy.. not the staff. also theres not a crazy amount of demand for construction jobs due to the decrease in players and also noone thinks doing that is fun, city mayors are almost never paid alot (if they are at all) it is very hard to sell city plots when theres almost noone to buy them and theres way too many cities for all of them to sell plots. real estate is a possible way to make money but without any ways to grind money in the game anymore people will not spend as much money on plots which also makes that fairly useless, as a owner of arguably one of the top shops on the server.. they really do not produce that much income. this weekend we got around 45 players and i woke up the next morning with 750 sales.. but all other days when we average like 10-15 players i can barely break 100-150 sales in one afternoon (also a good amount of those sales are people selling to me so sometimes i dont even break even for the day) its also hard to supply when alot of shops chests are full due to lack of items being bought and too many items being sold.. and i think its fairly funny that he put killing mobs in there like you can kill more then 20 mobs before you dont get money anymore (like 100f :? )
also mining is a nice way to make money, but not in pm and not in the ground.. you can make like 2.5k max an hour mining in the ground and nobody is gonna waste 4 hours to make 10k when plots cost around 400k in the big cities? like come on. and finally for rare item trader.. once again like the problem with alot of these other industries there is nowhere near enough players online to make a good profit of rares. And for apartments these are also hard to make a profit on due to lack of new players.

Please, stop messing with our economy. It is driving away players from the server and making it nearly impossible to get started on here without buying forsals on the store. And to Spart, you've got to listen to what we want and what we are saying or everyone is going to hate on you, thats just how it is because we want a voice.. we are the players and we are what keeps this server alive. Thanks for reading
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby Cheerios32 » Thu May 09, 2019 5:40 am

Okay, so there aren't enough ways to make money. However let's be realistic here: grinding is really dull so:

Do you have any ideas for more fun ways to make money?
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby cmvo » Thu May 09, 2019 6:05 am

Cheerios32 wrote:Okay, so there aren't enough ways to make money. However let's be realistic here: grinding is really dull so:

Do you have any ideas for more fun ways to make money?

PVP on, make it so food doesn’t regen on death, legitimate punishments impacted by people (police) for crime such as murder, more *needed* fuels (ie the oil from cars, spread out to other uses, you’d have to figure out what), a legitimate casino/gambling plugin that isn’t just people building massive Redstone contraptions, removal of both Elytras and Nether Tunnels and Warps except /warp C, /spawn and /warp airport (forces vehicle plugin, ie more jobs) more government contracts on a regular basis, instead of one 10k~ contract every three months, figuring out a plugin that can implement video and/or custom sound into the server (entertainment industry), more incentive to farming (ie gov sponsored farming incentives, like an amount of F per “load” delivered to you, if you stuck to things like carrots, potatoes, bread and milk, there’s no autofarm that’s reliable unless you want to count villagers, but then it’s just like hiring farm hands)

There’s lots of options that I and many others have suggested in the past but each time they’ve been brought up, they never get implemented.
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby Cheerios32 » Thu May 09, 2019 6:24 am

cmvo wrote:
Cheerios32 wrote:Okay, so there aren't enough ways to make money. However let's be realistic here: grinding is really dull so:

Do you have any ideas for more fun ways to make money?

PVP on, make it so food doesn’t regen on death, legitimate punishments impacted by people (police) for crime such as murder, more *needed* fuels (ie the oil from cars, spread out to other uses, you’d have to figure out what), a legitimate casino/gambling plugin that isn’t just people building massive Redstone contraptions, removal of both Elytras and Nether Tunnels and Warps except /warp C, /spawn and /warp airport (forces vehicle plugin, ie more jobs) more government contracts on a regular basis, instead of one 10k~ contract every three months, figuring out a plugin that can implement video and/or custom sound into the server (entertainment industry), more incentive to farming (ie gov sponsored farming incentives, like an amount of F per “load” delivered to you, if you stuck to things like carrots, potatoes, bread and milk, there’s no autofarm that’s reliable unless you want to count villagers, but then it’s just like hiring farm hands)

There’s lots of options that I and many others have suggested in the past but each time they’ve been brought up, they never get implemented.

Those are a pretty reasonable set of ideas. Let me break them down:

PVP on and the resulting police force: this would be an interesting idea and certainly a very large change, although it might be hard to adjust and would need careful regulation to ensure the HMPD didn't turn into a band of vigilantes.

Not regaining hunger on death: again, I quite like this one, I'll bring it up.

More required resources: I can see where you are going with this and I've got a few ideas but nothing substantial currently.

Gambling plugin: I'm not quite sure what you mean with this. Do you mean allowing players to set up their own lotteries?

Removal of elytra and nether tunnels: would really annoy everyone and it's very hard to remove nether tunnels without removing the nether.

Warp removal: this is a furious debate in itself and although ideal, it is unlikely to happen.

Government contracts: I suppose this is a backhanded way of telling gov departments to be more active. There's no magic whip here but I agree.

Custom sound: a plugin for this is being debated.

Custom video: aside from short animations this can't be done for technical reasons as far as I know.

Farming incentive: this is a good one, and can be done fairly quickly, as it is essentially turning crop shops to admin shops and having a decent price. I'll bring this one up.
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby CwazyMiner » Thu May 09, 2019 8:47 am

Listen,

I think every server dies, every economy dies, it is time to change servers; so much out there to explore. In some cases some changes cannot be done like irl.

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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby StickMan » Thu May 09, 2019 11:15 am

CwazyMiner wrote:Listen,

I think every server dies, every economy dies, it is time to change servers; so much out there to explore. In some cases some changes cannot be done like irl.

-Cwazy


Yeah but it’s mostly just because there’s been no one actually running the server since SK left in like 2017
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby ~Kino » Thu May 09, 2019 11:40 am

Cheerios32 wrote:Okay, so there aren't enough ways to make money. However let's be realistic here: grinding is really dull so:

Do you have any ideas for more fun ways to make money?


Some people enjoy grinding, I for one enjoy it and find it relaxing.
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby Cheerios32 » Thu May 09, 2019 1:42 pm

~Kino wrote:
Cheerios32 wrote:Okay, so there aren't enough ways to make money. However let's be realistic here: grinding is really dull so:

Do you have any ideas for more fun ways to make money?


Some people enjoy grinding, I for one enjoy it and find it relaxing.


Maybe I'm just bad at relaxing then.
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby CudleyNubles » Thu May 09, 2019 3:57 pm

How about we start giving new players 10k. This would eventually give back to other players through apartments and plots and help give new players a better incentive to stay
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Re: Why its going downhill

Postby fluffythebunnyx » Thu May 09, 2019 5:19 pm

CudleyNubles wrote:How about we start giving new players 10k. This would eventually give back to other players through apartments and plots and help give new players a better incentive to stay


and less of an incentive to actually work? plus i feel like people will just charge new players way more and that 10k will just last as long as 1.5k.


also if this is added i want 9k :twisted:
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